The 5 Elements & Ancient Indian Healing Technologies with Alx Uttermann
Episode 13: Show Notes
Today I had the privilege of speaking with Alx Uttermann, an accomplished teacher, healer, and spiritual adventurer who has been leading workshops and trainings on healing techniques and spiritual knowledge from ancient India for more than two decades. She co-founded UCBK, the Universal Church of Baba's Kitchen in California - a meditation, charitable, healing, and spiritual center open to anyone of any faith, any path, any religion, or none at all.
Alx has a passion for empowering women first to heal themselves and then to strengthen their own connection to divine power and to become extraordinary healers. Her goal is to spread the light far and wide to help bring relief, peace of mind, inspiration and miraculous healing to whomever is in need.
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The Making of a Reluctant Mystic
When I asked Alx about how she got started in this work, her response surprised me. "I was a reluctant healer and a reluctant mystic," she shared. "Honestly, my background was in the arts. I was a musician and a writer and a poet, and I was kind of educated on the East coast, so I would say I had a sort of snobbery and intellectual East coast snobbery stance about spirituality in general."
She went on to describe California as seeming like "the land of nuts and flakes" and admitted to having "just a general reluctance to be involved with any of that stuff." Yet despite this skepticism, she acknowledged being "deeply mystical as a child" with many experiences she "just didn't know where to put or how to make sense of them."
When Energy Healing Became Undeniably Real
Alx's journey into healing began in the late 1990s when she was working in the computer gaming industry as a writer, journalist, and developer. A friend in the industry who was a Reiki master invited her to a workshop for free and gave her the initiation.
"Until that point, I thought it was woo woo nonsense," Alx explained. "It was trendy, which just set my bells off. But until it started, and I felt the energy, I saw the energy - it was kind of dramatic, of course, as these things are."
I could relate to this completely, as Reiki was also my first impression of energy work, seeming like "nonsense" until I experienced it myself.
After her Reiki initiation, Alx began doing healing work on everyone she knew, and "astonishing things were happening." She described how it seemed to unlock her "nascent healing abilities," noting that "every human being has them. Mostly we just don't pay attention or don't consider it or don't develop it."
Questions Traditional Reiki Couldn't Answer
What struck me about Alx's story was how her scientific mind demanded deeper understanding. She found herself puzzled by inconsistencies in how people responded to Reiki energy. Sometimes she would feel the energy dramatically during a session, but the recipient felt nothing. Other times, she barely felt anything while the client was "knocked sideways by it."
When she brought these questions to Reiki masters, they would simply say "the energy does its thing." As Alx put it, "I'm like, okay, so you don't know how this works. They're just doing this. They don't really know."
Even more perplexing were sessions where someone came for pain relief from a broken ankle, but while their pain remained, their asthma cleared up completely. "I'm thinking, okay, this makes no sense," she recalled.
Meeting the Miracle Healing Saint: Sri Kaleshwar
Everything changed for Alx in the fall of 1999 when she met Jonathan Rosen, who came to her for healing. Jonathan had been studying in India with a miracle healing saint named Sri Kaleshwar, who was 27 years old at the time and had "the miracle healing abilities like Jesus."
According to Jonathan's accounts, Sri Kaleshwar was "removing terminal cancers from people in like five minutes. He was manifesting ash from his fingertips. He was manifesting whole objects out of thin air and giving them to his students and to healing people."
What made this different from other claimed miracle workers was Sri Kaleshwar's approach: "Yes, it's true. I have miracle abilities. I worked very hard for them. Every human being has the capability to do exactly what I can do, and I will teach everything I know to anybody who's willing to do the hard work to learn this."
Understanding The Science Behind Miracles
This brings us to what Alx calls "spiritual technology" - a concept that intrigued me and I'm sure will fascinate our listeners. As Alx explained, this means these abilities are learnable tools rather than mysterious gifts.
"Somebody who understands the mechanisms of how this stuff works. And not only that, but they're willing to share it. And it's a technology, meaning it's a tool set that can be learned," she said.
Discerning True Teachers from Charlatans
Before diving deeper into the spiritual technology, I had to address something that resonates with many seekers - how to distinguish authentic teachers from those with questionable motives. In my experience looking for teachers and spiritual guidance, one telltale sign is whether it's about the growth of the individual and sharing knowledge, or making the person rich.
Alx completely agreed: "My experience in the West, especially, is that most are not using it for the right reasons. It's unfortunate and it paints a bad picture for the rest of us, because then people are really gun shy. They've been burned by three teachers. Why should I trust you?"
Her response to skeptical students? "I'm like, well, you shouldn't. Come taste the energy, and then you'll know for yourself, if this is real or not. I'm not gonna make a case for it because I understand."
I love that phrase - "taste the energy." It perfectly captures the experiential nature of authentic spiritual work.
Ancient Science Meets Modern Understanding
Now let's dive into the spiritual technology itself. Alx explained that Sri Kaleshwar's basic teachings centered around the five elements of nature from the Vedic system of ancient India: earth, fire, sky (or ether), water, and air.
"The way that they understand the creation is that everything in the material world is composed of some configuration of these elements, including the human system," she explained. "Everything, whether it's a tree or a mountain or a bunny rabbit or an insect, everything is some kind of configuration of the elements. It's what the Creator uses to make different forms and then infuse them with life force."
This has practical implications for healing. For example, someone who's angry all the time has their fire element disproportionately balanced compared to the rest of their elements. "There needs to be a balance of all five elements in the human system for it to be healthy, and I mean healthy spiritually as well as physically."
How Miracles Work at the Vibrational Level
To illustrate how this spiritual technology works, Alx used the example of Jesus turning water into wine. She explained that while we understand water chemically as H2O - two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen - we've never actually seen these atoms. We take their existence on faith.
"To a holy character, to a mystical character, they see the vibratory quality of the liquid. They see the vibration level of what makes water, like steps below the molecular structure, the atomic structure, and they're operating from that level. To them it's vibration. And when you know that vibration, then it's not that hard to turn one liquid substance into, let's say, a different kind of liquid substance."
This is what makes it a technology - there's actual knowledge and formulas involved. "The ancient Saints wrote manuscripts 5,000, 7,000 years ago detailing all of this. They gave the energy formulas for how to access, let's say that water element in such a way."
Healing Through Elemental Balance
The healing applications of this elemental understanding are profound. Alx explained that someone with enormous fear and a closed heart has too much earth element in their system. Certain body pains, muscle issues, or severe mental health problems like bipolar disorder or deep depression can also be related to earth or water element imbalances.
The solution involves "applying the energy of these different formulas, which are mantras that correspond to each of the elements." When you apply a certain mantra to that element, "you can help push out the negativity that someone is holding in their system in that element and infuse that element in someone's system with a divine quality of that element, which will help bring their elements into balance."
A Miraculous Healing Object
To demonstrate the reality of this elemental mastery, Alx shared a remarkable story about an object that was created before her eyes. Jonathan was sitting by a holy river in India with Sri Kaleshwar, who had a small fire going. Suddenly, the Swami "reached into the fire and grabbed a handful of ash like burning hot coals" and squeezed it together.
When he threw it to Jonathan, "it came in the shape of this black oval stone, and it was soft. Jonathan said it was so hot, he couldn't even hold it. He was tossing it between his hands." Sri Kaleshwar told Jonathan to squeeze it and push it together, and "as it cooled down, it solidified, and you could still feel Jonathan's thumbprints on it to this day."
This object became a powerful healing tool. Jonathan would use it in corporate environments and "put it on people and give them a healing transmission with it. And miraculous healings would occur. Whole physical conditions that were life threatening would clear up" because "it came into being in a supernatural way through a saint who understands the five elements and can bend the elements and infuse the divinity in a solid object."
A Life-Changing Healing
When Alx first met Sri Kaleshwar in Seattle, he performed a miracle healing on her that changed everything. "He manifested ash into my hand, which I really did not expect in the course of doing a healing," she recalled.
The internal effect was profound: "I felt for a full day following this like five minute interaction with him, utterly innocently happy, and I had not experienced that since I was like a toddler." She could remember being a tiny child in rural Missouri, "out in our backyard, in the grass, grooving on the grass and the dandelions and the breezes and the sun, and kind of feeling that all of that was me in a way and just innocently happy."
This was remarkable because, as she shared, "I had a very traumatized and traumatizing childhood and adolescence and early twenties to the point where it's a wonderment that I was functional really." Yet in one interaction, "all of that was like removed. Gone. Like a complete reset."
Five Years of Intensive Training in India
When Sri Kaleshwar asked if she was coming to India, something beyond her conscious mind answered yes. "Who is saying this? Because that's the last place in the planet I ever wanted to visit. I would say my soul said absolutely. My mind was like, what? No."
What was planned as six months turned into five years of intensive training. As Alx put it, "When you surrender to the work that you're doing with full faith and commitment, the divine has to support you. It has to, it must 1000%. It has to. That's like a cosmic law. But that means all surrender."
The Powerful Spiritual Lineage
One of the most fascinating aspects of our conversation was learning about the spiritual lineage behind these teachings. According to the tradition, Jesus himself learned these same mantras and spiritual technologies in India, which is how he was able to perform miracles.
"Jesus actually is the cornerstone of this spiritual tradition as the greatest exponent of the spiritual mechanisms of the miracle energy flowing from India that this planet has ever seen," Alx explained.
The direct lineage includes Shirdi Sai Baba, the original Sai Baba who lived in the 1800s and early 1900s. Though he lived in obscurity as a beggar in a tiny town, "in India today, he is the most revered saint. You will see Baba temples everywhere." Other saints in this lineage include Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna, Mahavatar Babaji, and the Buddha.
Reclaiming the Divine Feminine
An important aspect of this tradition is its recognition of the Divine Mother. As Alx explained, "Ram Krishna was one of the first Saints who was absolutely transparent about his relationship with the mother Divine, specifically with Kali. Turns out she is the real force behind pretty much this whole tradition."
For listeners from Christian backgrounds who might feel challenged by this concept, Alx offered a bridge: "Both Orthodoxy and Catholicism include the mother. They have a huge pantheon. They have female saints, they have Mother Mary who is equal to Kali in our world."
Even more significantly, she pointed out that in the Hebrew language, the word for Holy Spirit - "Shekhinah" - is feminine. "It's father, mother, son. I would actually offer father, mother, guru, which makes perfect sense. That's the setup in our world of the divine characters who are here to help everybody regardless of tradition, regardless of what names we refer to them by."
Modern Applications & Corporate Healing
What makes this ancient technology relevant today is its practical applications. Jonathan used these techniques in Fortune 100 and 500 companies as a management consultant, bringing meditation energy and spiritual technology into corporate environments to resolve conflicts and facilitate culture changes where conventional consulting had failed.
The companies "couldn't understand how these miraculous shifts were occurring so quickly and sustainably" because they didn't know Jonathan was applying these ancient healing methods.
The Universal Church of Baba's Kitchen
After returning from India, Alx and Jonathan were guided to establish the Universal Church of Baba's Kitchen (UCBK), a modern healing center, in California. The name itself has multiple layers of meaning - a kitchen is where people come to be nourished, where alchemy happens (raw ingredients become something new through heat), and where the homeless are fed.
"A kitchen is also where you get cooked," Alx explained. "Similarly, the human soul has to go through a little fire process. It has to go through some heat to get purified and turn into what it really is, instead of a hot mess."
How to Experience This Energy Yourself
For those interested in exploring this work, UCBK offers several entry points:
Fire Homas (Ceremonies): Held every full moon and new moon since 2005, these involve chanting "very high powered mantras, very ancient mantras." The full moon focuses on the Divine Mother, and people from all over the world can participate via live stream. "You can feel it right through the screen if you are not local."
Weekly Satsangs: Thursday night gatherings via Zoom where they read from Sri Kaleshwar's teachings and discuss the mechanisms of creation. These feature students of every level sharing insights.
Prerecorded Teachings: A library of videos on their website where people can learn the five elements process with handouts, mantras, and audio recordings.
Decharging: Spiritual Hygiene for Healers
One of the most practical concepts Alx shared was "decharging" - what she calls spiritual hygiene. Anyone doing healing work absorbs negativity from those they help. "When we facilitate an energy shift, they feel better. They offloaded some negativity, some stress, some unfortunate karmas. Where did that go? It doesn't just disappear despite whatever the healing traditions tell us."
Most of it returns to the cosmic, but "two or 3% stays in our five elements structure as a charge." Without proper decharging practices, this builds up and causes health problems, mental health issues, sleeping problems, and eating disorders in healing professionals.
"We need the physicalized examples of the five elements through which to decharge back to the big source of those elements, the big nature," she explained. The decharging tools they teach are "so stupid simple" and provide immediate relief.
Like “Medical School” for Spiritual Healers
For those ready for deeper training, Alx offers a comprehensive one-year program that she describes as "kind of like medical school for spiritual people." The goal is preparing "capable, top level healers who can really handle the suffering and the heartbreak of our planet."
As she put it, "The number one disease that people are experiencing in our world is heartbreak. Everything else comes out of that. The physical ailments, the mental health issues, all of it. And we have plenty of hospitals for broken bodies. We have plenty of hospitals for broken minds. We don't have enough hospitals for the broken hearts."
Students learn not just mantras, but also "very high powered yantras" - two-dimensional drawings that are multidimensional expressions of energy, different aspects of the Divine Mother for specific conditions, and even "the manipulation and understanding of time and the role that it plays in heartbreak and pain."
Healing Yourself While Healing Others
What's beautiful about this work is how the healers themselves are transformed in the process. "The more we're working toward healing other people, the more our own stuff starts to dissolve and fall away," Alx observed. "It's such a journey to see where a group of students start and where they end up after a year. It's night to day unbelievable changes."
Ancient Solution for Modern Suffering
In our world of increasing mental health challenges and spiritual disconnection, having access to such precise, effective tools for healing seems like exactly what we need.
What impressed me most was the balance between the miraculous and the practical - this isn't about blind faith or wishful thinking, but about understanding the actual mechanisms behind healing and spiritual transformation. It's about developing real capabilities through disciplined practice.
For anyone feeling called to explore this work, I encourage you to visit UCBK.org and perhaps start with one of their fire ceremonies or satsangs. As Alx said, the best way to know if something is real is to "taste the energy" for yourself.
The ancient saints who developed these technologies understood something profound about the nature of reality and human potential. In our modern world, we desperately need this wisdom - not as escapism, but as practical tools for healing the heartbreak that underlies so much of our individual and collective suffering.
Meet Our Guest: Alx Uttermann
Alx Uttermann is an accomplished teacher, healer and spiritual adventurer. For more than 2 decades, she’s been leading workshops and trainings on healing techniques and spiritual knowledge from ancient India.
She also co-founded UCBK (The Universal Church of Baba’s Kitchen) in California. It’s a meditation, charitable, healing, and spiritual center, open to anyone of any faith, path, religion, or none at all!
Alx has a passion for empowering women, first to heal themselves, then to strengthen their own connection to divine power, and to become extraordinary healers.
Her goal is to spread the light far & wide, to help bring relief, peace of mind, inspiration and miraculous healing to whomever is in need.
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